[L16-usa] Request for info on 1937 Planked L16
Thomas Rolfes
trrolfes at att.net
Thu Apr 11 18:34:24 EDT 2013
Emmanuel:
An interesting challenge!!
By copying David Folger and Poncho Cole, I think you have probably reached
people who have the best chance of helping you. There are people in the area on
Mount Desert Island who have done considerable restorations, and there is at
least one that is getting that kind of work done now, although I do not know if
it falls in the realm of "planked" L-16s.
I do note that the cabin top is a bit larger on your vessel than I have seen
among the L-16's in our area. In our boats, the cabin top does not begin until
behind the mast step.
Good luck,
Tom Rolfes
Fleet Captain
MDI Luders Association
________________________________
From: Emmanuel Jung <emmanuel at silver-wings.fr>
To: TRRolfes at att.net; L16-usa at l16.org; Lawrence DeMilner
<demilner at downeast.net>; Pancho Cole <panchocole at gmail.com>; David Folger
<willowindfarm at gmail.com>; Janet Callow <Jcallow77 at aol.com>; Patti Rague
<patti at raguestudio.com>
Cc: simpson at fieldmuseum.org
Sent: Thu, April 11, 2013 2:20:12 PM
Subject: Re: Request for info on 1937 Planked L16
Hello all,
I have sent a week ago an email on your "l-16 fleet list" but apparently it did
not reach you. Bill Simpson, from Chicago, suggested that I contact you
directly.
I am the new owner of a 1937 planked L-16, imported in France in 1938 "Siver
Wings". According to Bob Wallstrom, she is likely to be Hull 421 - #13, and
according to records most probably (one of) the last (possibly 4) planked L-16
still sailing... Have a look at her dedicated website : www.silver-wings.fr
I would highly appreciate if you share this information around you, and possibly
share with me any information related with this pre-WW2 beautiful lady: plans
(because I would like to restore her according the original design), pictures,
testimonies, ...
Many thanks for your interest and contribution.
Best regards,
Emmanuel
+33 6 71 22 49 51
www.silver-wings.fr
2013/4/11 William F. Simpson <wsimpson at fieldmuseum.org>
>Hi Emmanuel,
>
>Hmm, well it sounds like WE need to credit Bob! I'll copy Larry Weeks on
>this, and see what should be done. Thanks!
>
>Good luck with your research into planked L16s, we'd love to be included on
>what you find out!
>
>Best,
>Bill
>
>On 4/11/13 12:08 PM, Emmanuel Jung wrote:
>Hi Bill,
>>
>>Thanks a lot for your prompt answer.
>>
>>
>>OK, I'll write to Bob directly, you will get copy.
>>Actually, I do not believe I am the plagiarist, since I only report an
>>on-line article from "Classic boats", mentioned on www.l16.org,
>>which indeed copies Bob's article. In the meantime, I have modified my
>>own description of the L-16, with reference to Bob's original article
>>(I bought the Wooden Boats Magazine on-line PDF issue).
>>
>>
>>
>>Re. listserve, I guess it's OK now, since I've got an email form Nancy
>>Broeckl, in response to a previous email. "I'm glad to hear that
>>you're still working on the book. Hope it comes out soon".
>>
>>
>>I have sent a general email to the supposed "5 active fleets"
>>mentioned on l16.org. Thanks fort the contact with the 2 really
>>active ones. I email them immediately.
>>
>>
>>
>>Itry to register Silver-Wings on Wooden Boats Mag, I
>>keep you updates,
>>
>>Very best,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>2013/4/11 William F. Simpson <wsimpson at fieldmuseum.org>
>>
>>Hi Emmanuel,
>>>
>>>No, I guess you need to write Bob Wallstrom directly. Maybe a
>>>reminder email now and then if you don't hear from him. I think
>>>he's pretty busy, but he's a wonderful resource for L16s!
>>>
>>>Concerning the plagiarism, why don't you just credit Bob on the
>>>website? I think that's all he's looking for.
>>>
>>>I've sent Larry Weeks (L16 #204, Wild Irish), who maintains our
>>>website, an email asking him to make sure you are added to our
>>>listserve. Are you getting messages from that listserve now?
>>>
>>>There are two other active L16 Fleets in the US, a small one
>>>(about 4 or 5 boats) in San Diego, and a giant array of ~40 L16s
>>>in and around Mt. Desert Island in Maine.
>>>
>>>
>>>Here are folks to contact in Maine:
>>>
>>>Tom Rolfes:
>>> <TRRolfes at att.net>
>>> <L16-usa at l16.org>
>>>Lawrence DeMilner <demilner at downeast.net>
>>>Pancho Cole <panchocole at gmail.com>
>>>David Folger <willowindfarm at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>Here are folks to contact in San Diego:
>>>
>>>Janet Callow <Jcallow77 at aol.com>
>>>Patti Rague <patti at raguestudio.com>
>>>
>>>I don't think any of these fleets has planked L16s, but they may
>>>have some knowledge to share.
>>>
>>>
>>>I wonder if contacting WoodenBoat Magazine would help as well?
>>>They have a Register of Wooden Boats, though I've never tried
>>>looking for planked L16s there. You might want to add your boat to
>>>the Register! You can do it online, and it doesn't cost anything:
>>>
>>>http://rwb.woodenboat.com/rwb/index.php
>>>
>>>You might also try emailing one of their researchers. I've
>>>corresponded with Pat Lown:
>>>
>>>"I am Pat Lown, research assistant, pat.lown at woodenboat.com or 207-359-4651. I
>>>work part-time, generally M-T-W. "
>>>
>>>Let me know how you do!
>>>
>>>Best,
>>>Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On 4/11/13 7:58 AM, Emmanuel Jung wrote:
>>>Hello Bill,
>>>>
>>>>I wonder whether you got an answer from Bob ?
>>>>
>>>>I'm also afraid that I might be the "plagiarist", what I did
>>>>not intend to.
>>>>
>>>>Also, I did not get any answer to my mails to other L-16
>>>>fleets, can you help ?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for your return,
>>>>
>>>>Best.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>2013/4/5 William F. Simpson <wsimpson at fieldmuseum.org>
>>>>
>>>>Welcome back, Bob!
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm not clear on all your responses - look for my
>>>>>comments in red.
>>>>>
>>>>>On 4/4/13 4:46 PM, Bob Wallstrrom wrote:
>>>>>Greetings Bill Simpson and others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hull 437 - L-16 #15 was delivered I n 1939 for a TW
>>>>>>Russell and Hull 424 - L-16 #14 of 1937
>>>>>>for JW Weber Jr. and was the Luders
>>>>>>Showboat at the 1937 NY Boatshow. It may
>>>>>>not have been delivered until 1938 as
>>>>>>the Hull Register seems to suggest.Hull 421 - #13 was for George Gould. Hull
>>>>>>403 #12 was for Elihu Root of of unk. yr.
>>>>>>Hull 402 – L-16 #11 was for PS duPont of
>>>>>>unk. yr.. That makes 15 total of that
>>>>>>particular issue although I seem to recall
>>>>>>that there was one other that could not be
>>>>>>attributed to Luders or any other yard for
>>>>>>that matter. So it seems to me that #15 of
>>>>>>1937. Looks pretty good that Hull 424 is
>>>>>>the right choice but I hope that there
>>>>>>might have been some documentation that
>>>>>>would support the solid appearing choice.
>>>>>>Hey, Bob, when was the first planked L16 delivered?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I am glad that someone finally contacted me
>>>>>for the information shown above so I could
>>>>>get the buyer’s name in the record.
>>>>>
>>>>> You mean Emmanuel Jung's name?
>>>
>>>
>>>Bill, I am very glad that you remembered my
>>>name. I could see from the material that
>>>accompanied the material that came with it
>>>that it’s too bad that my name was not
>>>with the camera that took the Luders image –
>>>I was standing along side of Bill at that
>>>moment. Which image are you talking about, Bob?
>>
>>
>>Also some one has plagiarized the copy from
>>my article and should have given me credit
>>for the words. O’well if they buy the
>>book when it’s done I will be rewarded.
>>Which text is that, Bob? Hey, we're all friends
>>here. List the text that you wrote, and I'm sure who
>>ever used it on a website will cite you, or take it
>>down!
>
>
>By the way, that was the second time today
>that image appeared here in my e-mail.
>Again, which image? Sorry to be so lost, but I want
>to understand what you're referring to!
>As to the L-16 list, I never made it there
>at all.and was too numb to not that I was
>not getting any L-16 news. I merely
>attributed it to the famed hurricane that
>did so much damage down south. can you
>put me back on? I’ll try to call you to tell
>the long story why. LARRY WEEKS, can you make sure
>Bob Wallstrom gets added to our listserve?
With thanks and great to be again seeing
those names from the past. We're glad to
have you back, Bob. To be honest, you never really
left, we've always considered you the "last word" on
Luders Marine.
Hey, here's a trivia question: On the 1945 era
bronze builder's plaques for L16s, "Lüders Marine
Construction Company" is spelled with an umlaut:
"Lüders". What's up with that? It's the only place
I've seen Luders use an umlaut, but that's a pretty
important place. One of the most permanent!
Best,
Bill
>Cheers,
>
>Bob Wallstrom
>New POB is now 213
>Brownfield, ME 04010
>207.935.4655
>
>From: William F. Simpson
>Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 4:18 PM
>To: Emmanuel Jung
>Cc: Larry Weeks ; The Chicago L-16 Fleet
>List ; Bob Wallstrom ; John Lee ; AVAL Atelier desVoilesd'AntanduLéman
>
>Subject: Re: Request for info on 1931
>Planked L16
> Hi Emmanuel!
>
>On 4/4/13 2:51 PM, Emmanuel Jung wrote:
>Thanks Bill for your quick and useful
>answer,
>>
>>
>>For pics of the 1937 planked L16 "Silver
>>Wings", vous can visit :
>>
>>- www.silver-wings.fr, the site I have
>>just started to build,
>>
>>
>>- and also the Picasa album of all pics
>>we've made :
>>https://picasaweb.google.com/101668719610208364873/Luders163Mars2013?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCKvg5uOMv-jC6gE&feat=directlink
>>
>>
>>
>>I am very excited to hear that a sister
>>ship might be still sailing. Well, that
>>photo is from 1987! I don't know if the
>>boat still exists, and if it does, which one
>>it is. The owner's name was John Packard. I
>>think I might be able to get you his 1987
>>address from the envelope he sent me the photo
>>in...
Thanks a lot for the photo ! It will be
very useful for the coming
restoration work ! (of course if you
have other pics ...)No, he only mailed me that
one photo. But I think I found out about him
from his ad in WoodenBoat. It might be worth
checking out the 1986 and 1987 issues of
WoodenBoat for an ad on this boat. John
Packard lived in New York (but not NY city I
think) at the time.
Would you please possibly inform the
owner I am interested in having a direct
contact ?
>From the documentation collected from
>www.l16.org and Wooden Boats Magazine, 3 out
>of the 14 planked hulls have not been
>destroyed by the september 1938 hurricane.
>So we already know about 2 of them. With
>the 15th hull built in 1939, there are
>still 4 possible candidates...
>Sounds like a fun mystery!
>
>Also, can you please arrange that I can
>post on the L16 listserve,
>I've just received today a message,
>telling that my subscription has been
>rejected ... Too bad.
>Actually, I rejected your post. All it
>consisted of was your email address, no text,
>so I saw no reason to distribute it. Try
>again? Actually, Larry Weeks (Wild Irish, L16
>#204) built this listserve. Larry, can you make sure
>Emmanuel gets successfully subscribed? I just
>help Larry filter out all the spam which gets
>posted to the list.
>
>Thanks again, and best regards.
>
>
>
>Emmanuel
>
I look forward to hearing more from you!
Best,
Bill
>
>
>2013/4/4 William F. Simpson
><wsimpson at fieldmuseum.org>
>
>Dear All,
>>
>>See the email below (in blue) from Emmanuel Jung who has
>>an original 1931 planked L16! I saw
>>yesterday that he tried to post to
>>our listserve, but it didn't go
>>through. Then I got his email from
>>John Lee. I'm also copying Bob
>>Wallstrom on this, maybe he can help
>>as well.
>>
>>Emmanuel, we have plans for the
>>hot-molded L16s on the L16 website,
>>
>>
>>http://www.l16.org/Library/
>>
>>but not the planked version. Luders
>>Marine had a fire at some point, and
>>many (all?) documents on site were
>>lost. I'm hoping Bob Wallstrom
>>knows of a source for you. If
>>you're willing, please copy the L16
>>listserve on this topic, we'd all
>>love to hear what you find out!
>>
>>Best,
>>Bill
>>
>>p.s. When in 1987 I was looking to
>>join the Chicago L16 Fleet, I
>>corresponded with an owner from NY
>>who had a planked L16 for sail.
>>Here'a a pic! Emmanuel, send us
>>all pics of your boat, will you?
>>
>>
>> Original
>>1931 Planked Luders 16
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>From: Emmanuel Jung
>><emmanuel at silver-wings.fr>
>>Date: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:45
AM
>>Subject: Planked Luders 16
b.1939
>>To: webmaster at l16.org, captain at l16.org, info at chicagoyachtclub.org,
>>membership at fbyc.ca, info at mdisailing.org, info at southernyachtclub.org,
>>Commodore at whyc.org
>>
>>
>>
>>Dear Sir, Madam,
>>
>>I have just discovered
>>a planked Luders 16, built
>>before 1939 by the Luders
>>Marine Construction Cie,
>>and imported in France by
>>Fank "Jay" Gould to compete
>>on the Lake Leman. She
>>is very likely the last
>>planked L-16 still sailing.
>>
>>
>>I would highly
>>appreciate to learn more
>>about the ship construction
>>and have access to the
>>original plans, in order to
>>make the necessary
>>restoration work according
>>to the original design.
>>
>>
>>I have sought
>>information, including on
>>the great Mystic Seaport
>>website, but I was not able,
>>unfortunately, to find
>>relevant information. Would
>>you be aware of of any
>>useful link or people to
>>contact, please be so kind
>>and let me know.
>>
>>
>>Thanks in advance for your
>>answer,
>>
>>With my best regards,
>>
>>
>>Emmanuel Jung
>>L-16 Silver Wings
>>
>>www.silver-wings.fr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>William F. Simpson
>>
Clipper, Lüders 16, #22
>>Chicago L16 Fleet Treasurer
>>& Archivist
>>
>>
>>(312) 665-7628
>>simpson at fieldmuseum.org
>
--
William F. Simpson
McCarter Collections Manager
Fossil Vertebrates
Field Museum of Natural History
1400 South Lake Shore Drive
Chicago, Illinois 60605
(312) 665-7628
simpson at fieldmuseum.org
--
William F. Simpson
McCarter Collections Manager
Fossil Vertebrates
Field Museum of Natural History
1400 South Lake Shore Drive
Chicago, Illinois 60605
(312) 665-7628 simpson at fieldmuseum.org
>>>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>William F. Simpson
>>McCarter Collections Manager
>>Fossil Vertebrates
>>
>>Field Museum of Natural History
>>1400 South Lake Shore Drive
>>Chicago, Illinois 60605
>>
>>(312) 665-7628 simpson at fieldmuseum.org
>>
--
William F. Simpson
McCarter Collections Manager
Fossil Vertebrates
Field Museum of Natural History
1400 South Lake Shore Drive
Chicago, Illinois 60605
(312) 665-7628 simpson at fieldmuseum.org
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